Cosmology and creation - audio lecture by Keith Ward (online at Gresham college)
Quotes and comments;
1. Ward defines creation (one wonders how he knows this) as ''the dependence of all things in space and time on something beyond space and time.''
- he doesn't tell us how he knows this. This seems clearly to be a 'secularized' version of what we read in Genesis. (Which Ward, as a liberal among liberals, would in no way see as being authoritative.)
2. 'Creation is not the beginning of the universe,' he tells us in serious tones.
- I can't follow what he's getting at here, but he says we mustn't think of god as some person who decided one day to make a universe. (How he could know this I don't know... ) This is totally false he says.
3. Ward talks (seemingly with approval) of the idea Martin Rees enjoys espousing; that of many universes. (I'd like to know how Rees knows this :=) I hope people aren't fooled by such nonsense. This bizarre notion reminds me of the verse in the psalms; ''where shall I go to flee from thee...?" and it gives many places. It seems Rees wants to flee into another universe. (This would be a great way to escape bail I guess :=)
- I might add that this idea of something existing outside the universe (which at one point used to be defined as all there is) seems to come from the biblical view of god existing outside time and space. (Though I'm sure no credit will be given; as usual.)
4. It seems to me that when materialists (atheists) get so desperate to come up with naturalistic explanations for the universe they wander off into the silly land of multiverses they have given the game away. i.e. if there are many universes there is no reason why some being/s could not have created our universe. I don't see how they can get around this; in their dishonest attempts to escape the implications of a finely tuned universe they have in fact made way for a creator.
- If multiple universes exist apart from the one were sitting in, then we can't deny the fact some entity outside this universe might have in fact created it. The argument is simple; once you allow that something exists outside the universe you can't rule out the idea that something might be a creator of some kind. This is a deistic argument; or better a defense of the generic idea of theism or at least creation. (This is not an attempt at proving God.)
5. Ward says, of ideas about many universes; 'these are very serious speculations...'
- Gee; how does he know this? I think they're totally absurd. But let's ignore my views... how could any such thing be tested? W. admits, ''this will be difficult..."
- but; since Rees is now a Lord it should at least in principle be possible :=)
Quotes and comments;
1. Ward defines creation (one wonders how he knows this) as ''the dependence of all things in space and time on something beyond space and time.''
- he doesn't tell us how he knows this. This seems clearly to be a 'secularized' version of what we read in Genesis. (Which Ward, as a liberal among liberals, would in no way see as being authoritative.)
2. 'Creation is not the beginning of the universe,' he tells us in serious tones.
- I can't follow what he's getting at here, but he says we mustn't think of god as some person who decided one day to make a universe. (How he could know this I don't know... ) This is totally false he says.
3. Ward talks (seemingly with approval) of the idea Martin Rees enjoys espousing; that of many universes. (I'd like to know how Rees knows this :=) I hope people aren't fooled by such nonsense. This bizarre notion reminds me of the verse in the psalms; ''where shall I go to flee from thee...?" and it gives many places. It seems Rees wants to flee into another universe. (This would be a great way to escape bail I guess :=)
- I might add that this idea of something existing outside the universe (which at one point used to be defined as all there is) seems to come from the biblical view of god existing outside time and space. (Though I'm sure no credit will be given; as usual.)
4. It seems to me that when materialists (atheists) get so desperate to come up with naturalistic explanations for the universe they wander off into the silly land of multiverses they have given the game away. i.e. if there are many universes there is no reason why some being/s could not have created our universe. I don't see how they can get around this; in their dishonest attempts to escape the implications of a finely tuned universe they have in fact made way for a creator.
- If multiple universes exist apart from the one were sitting in, then we can't deny the fact some entity outside this universe might have in fact created it. The argument is simple; once you allow that something exists outside the universe you can't rule out the idea that something might be a creator of some kind. This is a deistic argument; or better a defense of the generic idea of theism or at least creation. (This is not an attempt at proving God.)
5. Ward says, of ideas about many universes; 'these are very serious speculations...'
- Gee; how does he know this? I think they're totally absurd. But let's ignore my views... how could any such thing be tested? W. admits, ''this will be difficult..."
- but; since Rees is now a Lord it should at least in principle be possible :=)
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